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lynzie914I went. I survived. YAY!!!!!!
No seriously, I didn't freak out/squeeze anyone's fingers until they lost feelings or try to run away at any time. I'm incredibly proud of myself. It wasn't a fun experience by any means but I did it. Honestly I think the worst part was after they gave me the anaceptic, because it made my heart race and the dentist basically described it to me as speeding everything up, but he didn't explain that until after I started having all of these feelings (apparently most people don't even notice the change in their bodies, to which I say, HOW?) and so I freaked out a little thinking I was having an allergic reaction/panic attack or both.
They should really tell you about that in advance.
My jaw still hurts and I'm nervous about eatting on that side of my mouth, but its over with. SO YAY! Thank you for all the good thoughts and wishes and love. And I love you all, you will be getting lots of comments today. And long distance hugs.
+Also, again, I'm going to try to catch up on comments and my f-list in general. So if I bombard your inboxes, sorry. Well, kind of sorry, lol. ;D
+Also, I feel terrible today. SO MEME TIME!!!!! (Not feeling well = memes in my life)
Give me a fandom and I will tell you:
• The first character I fell in love with:
• The character who is my ‘baby’:
• The character who I do not understand:
• The character that I think the show ruined:
• The most attractive male and female character:
• The character death that was the worst for me:
• The character that is the most like me:
• The character I think the writer(s) love:
• The character that I just want to be happy:
• My four favorite characters, past or present:
• My four least favorite characters, past or present:
(Most of my fandoms are on my profile, but feel free to shout out whatever you want. If I know it, I'll see what I can do. Also feel free to shout out more than one fandom, I don't mind/encourage it.)
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Date: 2014-06-06 05:34 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-06-06 05:59 pm (UTC)I chipped a tooth over the weekend. They had sanded it down on tuesday and then I came back yesterday for them to fill it. It wasn't anything too terrible (though he said it was a super deep cavity so it could have lead to something bad) but dentists freak me out, so really, anything involving them gives me anxiety. So if your comfortable with the dentist, then most people probably would have been fine. But between my fear of them in general and my anxiety disorder, it was kind of a ordeal.
(Also, your icon is super pretty. XD)
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Date: 2014-06-07 02:01 pm (UTC)You should be incredibly proud of yourself and then some. :D I'm proud of you too. You go girl! And no dentist ever told me that the dental anesthetic contains adrenaline either, you learn something new every day. My dentists were like yours they just told me the needle might sting a bit and to tell them when I started feeling the numbing effect of the anesthetic.
I hope your jaw stopped hurting in the meantime.
And now I need to think of a show you could do the meme for. hmm. Maybe a show you watched but have never/rarely gotten in such a meme, even though you would really like to do such a meme for it.
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Date: 2014-06-11 09:27 pm (UTC)You're so sweet. I probably keep repeating myself but you are. And I love you for it. Good, its not just me. I felt like it was this big surprise and they were all handwaving it off, so I was very confused. I literally had to have them go get someone and it took a long time for the effects to wear off. They should defenitely warn for that. And well, at least you know now. In case it ever happens. You can ask ahead of time or panic less, LOL.
I think its finally getting back to normal. Though I still keep chewing on the other side out of habit. LOL.
I saw your other comment and I'm excited to get to all of them. Also, sorry I'm slow with comments. I'm so very very slow. I'm working on it though. But Nikita actually fits the bill for sure about shows I don't really get to talk about. Same with Leverage. I mean I talk about them sometimes (especially to you) but not as much as I'd like. And I never get tired of talking about really anything you listed. XD
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Date: 2014-06-10 08:33 am (UTC)YOU ♥
I WANT YOU TO TALK ABOUT FRIENDS WITH ME. DO THE MEME.
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Date: 2014-06-11 09:48 pm (UTC)No seriously, thank you, you've been so sweet throughout the whole thing. I really appriciate it.
YAY!!! I ENJOY THIS IDEA VERY MUCH!!!
• The first character I fell in love with: It's been so long since I first saw the show, honestly I can't remember when I didn't love the show, so this is hard. But I think maybe Chandler. I've always loved Chandler and his humor and his just general being. I think I might have fell in love with him first.
• The character who is my ‘baby’: Probably Rachel. I just love her and her whole arc on the show and how she grew but never changed who she was or who she wanted to be. How she learned how to stand up for herself and how to be strong and how to put her own desires over others. Also, I'm just super protective of her and how other characters treat her. I'm pretty much always on her side.
• The character who I do not understand: Hmmmm....Monica's mother?
• The character that I think the show ruined: For me, personally, Ross. I don't hate him or anything, and I find him really funny throughout the series. But in the beginning of the show he just seemed so much more sympathetic and relatable than he did later. I don't know if he changed or if its just circumstance, but I feel like they could have done better with him. So maybe not ruined, just....could have done better with.
• The most attractive male and female character: But their all so pretty. How do I choose?
• The character death that was the worst for me: Not really a show with a lot of death. But they had the episode in the first couple of seasons where Monica and Ross's grandmother dies and that episode always gets to me. When the sugar packets fall down on them.
• The character that is the most like me: Probably Chandler. I have a lot of Chandler traits. But also some Monica, because I'm neruotic like her. And early Rachel who's a little bit lost and trying to figure out who she wants to be.
• The character I think the writer(s) love: I think they actually did a pretty good job at spreading the love all around. Most of the time anyways.
• The character that I just want to be happy: All of them, but I haven't mentioned Phoebe yet, so I'm going to say Phoebe. She's mostly just happy in general, but still. (Also Monica, haven't mentioned her a lot either.)
• My four favorite characters, past or present: Chandler, Joey, Monica, Rachel (done alphabetically not by rank)
• My four least favorite characters, past or present: Oh, hard. Janice by the end of the series (I liked her once upon a time), Amy (Rachel's sister), Ursalla, Emily. Oh there all women. I feel bad. I'm blanking really. OH PAULO. No one should like Paulo, and Barry. And Barry's best man in the wedding episode. I feel like I have characters I don't like but its just big brain blank.
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Date: 2014-06-27 10:07 am (UTC)Rachel! ♥ I'm usually on her side as well, so I understand ♥
lol for Monica's mother.
idk about Ross, though, I've never given him a lot of thought. but I'd say he's my least favorite of the six, though that doesn't necessarily mean much.
THEY ARE V. PRETTY.
still, early seasons chandler bing and early seasons monica gellerthat was such a sweet scene.
AW ♥
PHOEBE! ♥
it's Friends, it's hard to remember the ones you don't love WHEN THERE IS SO MUCH LOVE ALL AROUND.
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Date: 2014-06-11 07:28 pm (UTC)Smallville, Buffy, Angel, supernatural, Vampire diaries, leverage, Nikita. Just the more obvious ones for now.
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Date: 2014-06-13 11:22 pm (UTC)SMALLVILLE
• The first character I fell in love with: I want to say Chloe is my actual answer to this, but I honestly don’t remember for sure, but she’s also my answer for the next one, so I’m going to go with Lex. I have a special soft spot for S1 Lex (and Lex in general) and his wonderful charismatic/non-subtle/non-apologetic self. I love his morally gray side and how sometimes he fights it and sometimes he nurtures it and uses it to his advantage. He is Lionel Luthor’s son and he learned his lessons well. I think early on when I really fell in love with him was when he was having drinks with Lionel’s goon and he’s laced the drink and the guy ends up in the back of his trunk to be delivered to Lionel. I just, that whole sequence is fantastic. As is when he blackmails the reporter into being on his side, threatening to take away his whole life piece by piece, and of course, when he throws the fencing sword (lance?) and it almost hits Clark in the pilot. All of these things. So perfect. And I just kept falling more and more in love over the seasons. (I have such a soft spot for the Luthors, even though, I probably shouldn’t considering all the bad things they do, LOL.)
• The character who is my ‘baby’: Chloe, of course its Chloe. I will defend Chloe from fictional and real people alike and am always on her side. Not that I don’t recognize her faults, I just understand them and can see them as character traits/things that make sense and I will try to make others see that too. Also, I spend a lot of the time just wanting to reach through the screen and hug her and tell her she deserves better (and she’ll get it eventually because I’m a Chlollie fan, lol, but I can also head canon Chlean wise too. ;D). I just love Chloe. For me there will never be another Chloe Sullivan. Such a wonderful character, full of life and curiosity and a thirst for the truth. Someone who doesn’t always do the right things, but is loyal to a fault, who will always fight for what she believes is right. Someone who will defend the world when no one else around her is willing. Who stands up for herself against powerful men and does it with a smile and determined eyes. Who is never without a quip. Who is human and yet more powerful than most of them men surrounding her. Who never gave up on her dreams. Again, there will never be another Chloe Sullivan for me. Not that I have to convince you, LOL.
• The character who I do not understand: Jonathan is a character I always had trouble understanding (also liking). I understood aspects of his characters, because of course he would be overly cautious when it came to Clark. He wasn’t just a parent but he was a parent of a child who he feared would be exploited or worse, that could be taken away from him. I always understood that aspect. But he was so confusing when it came to the Luthors, especially Lex. One minute he doesn’t trust him, then he’s willing to give him a chance, and then he snatches it away again. (And the cycle goes on and on.) He is so determined to put the sins of the father onto the son that he doesn’t realize that he’s one of the people making Lex more like his father. And he conveniently forgets his own involvement with Lionel, the choices he made regarding him. He ignores the fact that apparently he was the one that talked the Ross’s into selling their factory, that he made the deal with Lionel, that he was the first one to bring the Luthors into their lives. His treatment of Clark also often left me baffled. Yes, you want to protect your son, and sometimes that means protecting others from him (because Clark is still mastering his abilities) but the way he goes about it. Personally I think Martha just needed to smack him upside the head a few times.
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Date: 2014-06-13 11:24 pm (UTC)2/2 (hopefully)2/3 (nope LJ is laughing again)• The character that I think the show ruined: I wouldn’t say ruined ruined because I still love his character and I will always have the early seasons, but I feel like the show did its best to ruin Lionel’s character. His redemption arc just didn’t work and you (or I at least) was left baffled at what these characters were doing interacting and trusting him. Now, I do understand that sometimes it was because they had no choice (Lionel had learned Clark’s secret) but still. It was like they were trying to shoe horn him into a role that he was not made for and he only thing that saved it was John Glover. (I think we’ve already talked about him being at thanksgiving dinner and just how wrong that was on so many levels.) S7, the culmination of that arc, did have some fine moments though. Including a reminder of Lionel and who he was (in Lex’s memories) and him telling Lex he loved him and Lex just walking away, because he had said it far too late. And of course, my favorite Lionel S7 scene where he comes to Chloe for help and she stares him down (when he’s literally on his knees) and you can literally see her remembering everything bad he had ever done to her, every threat he had ever made, everything he had whispered in her ear, and her telling him no. Her telling him that he had never really changed. Her pushing him away and telling him that there was no saving or redeeming him; that he was still that power hungry man we met in the first episode. (I may really love that scene, sorry.)
• The most attractive male and female character: This is a mean question and you cannot make me pick. (SO MUCH PRETTY ON ONE SHOW. AND I DON’T KNOW HOW TO PICK BETWEEN CERTAIN PEOPLE. AND REALLY IT WAS A CW SHOW. EVERYONE WAS GORGOUS.) So I’m going to go with guest stars. Zatanna (I have such a girl crush on Serinda Swan) and Jensen Ackles. (Okay so he wasn’t really a guest star, but but Jensen Ackles. And I mean he was only in the one season and not in every episode. So it kind of counts.)
• The character death that was the worst for me: Probably Tess, but I’m still in denial over that, so I don’t know if that counts. (She’s living a new life on a different TV show now, LOL). Ummm…the Davis/Jimmy Doomsday fiasco might take this one, just because it just made NO sense and it just wasn’t necessary. If they wanted to kill of Davis and Jimmy it would have been easy to use Doomsday as a way to do that. There was no need to strip away everything we knew and loved about Davis and turn him into a murderer who not only killed Jimmy but went after Chloe. None of that made sense. (Sam Witwer won’t ever say it, but you know he agrees.) I’m also of the belief that Lex died either in the S7 finale or in S8, the Lex we got after that, was all clone Lex, so I mourn him too. He may look the part, but he’s not the same man.
• The character that is the most like me: Oh, this is hard. I don’t even know. I want to say I’m like Chloe, or Tess, or really any of the wonderful female characters. I connect the most with Chloe and Tess so I’ll say them, that there’s something there that’s like me, but I couldn’t say specifically what.
• The character I think the writer(s) love: I’m going for the idea of a character that the writers loved a little too much, if that makes sense, the type you can tell. And its going to sound weird, but I’m going to go with Clark. Obviously he was the main character, it was his show, they probably should love him most. But they loved him in a way where they seemed blinded by his faults, like they couldn’t see what they were writing or how his actions were wrong half the time. And they just needed to step back and look at the character as a whole. Clark Kent is not batman. Clark Kent is not perfect. Clark Kent is not the Earth’s savior. Clark Kent is the boy who will grow into Superman, who believes in truth, justice and….other stuff. LOL. He believed in saving people and doing what was right, but he was still human (Clark Kent was human at heart) and he made mistakes along the way, mistakes he had to own up to and apologize for, and recognize to grow into the man that would someday be Superman and people would look up to.
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Date: 2014-06-13 11:25 pm (UTC)• My four favorite characters, past or present: Chloe (obviously, LOL), Tess, Lex, and Oliver. (Though I have lots of love for lots more than that too.)
• My four least favorite characters, past or present: Jonathan (see above), Grant Gabriel (I have very strong anti-feelings for him, but I’m curious about when I finally get around to re-watching S7 if they might change), Dinah (I so wanted to like her, but most of the time I didn’t. Though I did enjoy watching her fight/be black canary, so there was that.), and hmmm…Jimmy. I always had Jimmy issues (though I never hated him…except for maybe parts of the end of S8.)
(Sorry I babble so much. This is what happens when I get to talk about things and probably a reason I should meta more in actual metas, so you don't have to hear it in memes. LOL)
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Date: 2014-06-21 03:40 pm (UTC)Hmm, four favorites. You gave good answers. :D Mine would be, Chloe, Lex, Bart and Tess (both Tess and Chloe minus their thing for Clark, I will never get it. :P) honorable mention, Whitney and Jason though that's partly and in Jason's case mostly due to the actors. :P
Haha, the least favorite is apparently a lot easier for me than you. :D CLARK, Jonathan, Grant Gabriel (what was the point of him anyway?, and yes, they definitely could have done a better job with Dinah, also every single character when they're falling all over each other for Clark and act like he is the most noble and good person on the face of the earth. Like I said issues. You have your Jimmy issues and I have my Clark issues. (when it came to Chimmy I actually had more issues with Chloe than Jimmy, I mean I can't fault Jimmy for trying everything in his power to keep her but I do shake my head at Chloe for getting back together with him and even worse not breaking it off when it was so clear that she was making a huge mistake, having more of a connection with a virtual stranger than her fiance? Hello? tztz).
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Date: 2014-06-22 11:12 pm (UTC)I like your answers too and your honorable mentions. Whitney doesn't get nearly enough fandom love.
Yes! What was the point of Grant Gabriel? Someone explain it to me please. Because mostly, I just wished Chloe had hit him with that stapler. Yeah, I think a lot of my problems with Dinah stemmed from the fact that they seemed to always be pitting her against other female characters and it just wasn't necessary. AT ALL. But there were some other issues too, like you said they could have done a better job with her in general, but she wasn't in so much of the series it was probably hard to build her into a character you fully understood. The shame is that I've seen teh actress in other things and LOVED her. So obviously it was not the actress, it was the writing.
Oh, I totally have issues with Chloe and her part of the whole Chimmy debacle too. She is most defenitely not blameless in everything that happened no matter what the season. She should have never agreed to marry him without being willing to tell him everything about her life. We never saw her ask Clark if she could tell him/the JL or any talk of it all. And that was a big mistake. (I don't say actually married him, because when she did she had Clark's secret erased from her mind, so who knows for sure if she would have gone through with it. One assumes but we can never actually know.) Chloe has plenty of blame in the failure of their relationship and has plenty of things she should have (and did at times) owned up to in it. But for me, Jimmy still ended up coming off worse. It might just be a personality thing. (Like you said you have your Clark issues, I have my Jimmy issues.)
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Date: 2014-06-23 09:10 am (UTC)I'll never get the point of Grant, it can't be that his main purpose was to get Lois on the Daily Planet despite her lack of experience/references, since Clark got just as easily a job there in season 8 or maybe it was just some contrived ploy to cause tension between the cousins because of course the show hadn't enough drama already what with the whole Lana-Luthors-Clark storyline. In the end they probably just wanted another fresh face to stir things up because one wasn't enough. Dinah could have been awesome, too bad I was mostly indifferent to her in the end, however I do like her in fanfics, minus those where she's cheating with Oliver on Chloe of course.
I think the main reason I'm more mad at Chloe for her part in the Chimmy issues is that she's my favorite and I expect better from her. Whereas from Jimmy not so much, so while I do have issues with him for his fickle ways (Either dump Chloe if you can't deal with her secrecy or deal with it and drop it, not that passive aggressive shit), it doesn't bug me quite as much as Chloe catching the Clark-bug in how to treat her significant other and deal with his secret in relationships, especially after constantly calling him out on said behavior.... Ugh. (We can have issues together. :D)
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Date: 2014-06-21 03:19 pm (UTC)OF COURSE JENSEN IS THE MOST ATTRACTIVE KINDA GUEST STAR!!!! (sorry, I get excited about Jensen, just watched Dawson's Creek for the first time and I forgot that he appeared in the last season and I might have squeeed when I recognized him in the background in his first scene, it came close to the noises I made when James appeared in season 5 of Smallville) :D Actually, Jensen is the most attractive male on Smallville to me period, because while from a rational view point I recognize that all the other males on Smallville were pretty/sexy/hot as well, especially Tom and Justin, they just never 'did it' for me, and imo, especially attractiveness includes the whole package, not just a pretty face/hot body. And with Jensen I had that instant reaction of damn it must be hard for him to get taken serious as an actor with a face like that. Also, post-Supernatural watching I will never not be biased when it comes to Jensen ever again. :D And if we're really just talking guest stars, mine would be James Marsters, I had a crazy James phase back when I was watching Buffy and Angel. <3 As for most attractive female, now that is MUCH tougher imo, because they're all so very attractive and such different kinds of attractive too! But yes, Zatanna is very attractive/hot! I think I will go with your pick on this one because I'm drawing a blank on all the attractive females that ran across the Smallville screen.
I agree about the character deaths, as well, though none of the character deaths made me cry, I found the show did better with funerals than actual deaths. And a death that was simply emotional even though it didn't stick is Lois/Chloe season 6/7. Tess death was unnecessary imo, since it so clearly was just to have a death in the finale and show the Lex clones rise to originial Lex's level of evilness whose ultimate act of 'evil' was to kill his father by killing his sister and Tess deserved more than have her end of the show play direct second string to that of somebody else's end.
If you're most like Chloe/Tess, no wonder we get along so well. :D Since I'm a redhead (doesn't matter that's a different shade of red), I can be the Tess (or a young Martha) to your Chloe or Lois or Lana or Kara. <3 Now, characterwise I'm probably most like Bart, with a dash of the rest of the Justice League (which doesn't include Clark!) and all of the awesome women (Chloe, Lana, Lois, Kara, Tess) . haha.
Well, now that's an answer! I probably would have gone with Lois, aka, the characters the writers loved, though I think all the characters had writers/producers who really really loved them, especially the characters that were on the show for more than one season, obviously. :D Considering your answer though, it makes a lot of sense and I absolutely have to agree, they did seem to have a hard time admitting that Clark wasn't perfect and pulled some serious sh*t.
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Date: 2014-06-22 11:00 pm (UTC)LOL, don't worry. I won't tell anybody. But I agree. They didn't completey ruin anyone, but their were defenite changes (character growth for good or bad) along the way. I think its just because I love the Chloe-Lionel dynamic so much. I would have been so upset if they killed him off without letting these two interact one last time. I do agree. She was so bad at hiding that key. But I assume, plot device becaus they needed him to have it. BUT I WILL SO READ THAT FIC. I WOULD SO DEFENITELY READ THAT FIC AND SOMEONE AKA YOU SHOULD DEFENITELY WRITE IT. I mean come on, all that UST and everything that happened. AND IT SHOULD BE WRITTEN.
just saying.I didn't think we'd have any disagreements when it came to Jensen, LOL. (Now I'm all curious about your thoughts on Dawson's Creek. Its been forever since I've watched it, I even forgot Jensen was on it that's how long its been, but I'm super curious about who you liked/shipped/all that.) And I forgot about James, shame on me. But yep, he'd defenitely be on the list too. Even evil/a robot, he was hot. There was a lot of pretty in Smallville. A lot of it. But yes, Zatanna wins it for me, but I have a girl crush on Serinda Swann and have always been super happy whenever she's popped on my screen since.
Oh, the Lois-Chloe death. That defenitely makes me cry, on both sides, even though its not permanant. Chloe begging her to wake up and telling her she can't die that she loved her too much. It just, I still cry. And then in S7 when the roles are reversed and Lois is trying to save her/deal with what happened in the hospital. It all just gets to me. And I totally agree. Tess' death was unnecessary. I mean the scene was good and we finally got to see them interacting together, but it always felt just like you said. Its the series finale so obviously someone has to die. And Lex is back, so of course it must be Tess. All of which is ridiculous. But SV's finale. Not even close to being on the top of anyone's list I don't think.
Aw, yay! Of course that's why we get a long. And I'd totally be your fill-in-the-blank to your Tess. If were going off of just hair color, I'd be early seasons Lois. Less blonde than she was in the beginning, but no where near as dark as she was S8 and onward. Oh, Bart. I love Bart. I don't think I mentioned him (or Victor I have tons of Victor love too) anywhere in this. Which makes me sad. There was no slot though really.
Oh, I can defenitely see what your saying with Lois. I love her, but there were defenitely times I think they tried to shoe horn her into plots or give her things to do that ultimately did a disservice to her character instead of expressing that love. (They did this with Lana too.) So I think ultimately it would still be Clark for me, but I can see what your saying. But yeah, I know they talked about how Tom used to fight with them sometimes in the later seasons when he was a producer and tell them that they were getting Clark all wrong and that things they had established, Clark didn't know yet. Whether he was right or not, I don't know. But I still think it says something. They loved him but they didn't understand him.
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Date: 2014-06-23 09:42 am (UTC)How can we ever disagree on Jensen, HE'S AWESOME! <3 (Yay, I was actually already considering venting a bit about Dawson's Creek in a post, good to know that somebody might actually be interested in reading it. As for Jensen on it, it was actually kinda funny because I missed his name in the credits and as I said I forgot that Dawson's Creek is one of his TV appearances, so when he appeared in the background, younger and with longer hair I was obviously first not really paying attention because of what happened in the foreground but then my eye caught sight of him behind the characters and I was like Jensen? - He comes more into focus and addresses the others - JENSEN??!! JENSEN!!! Yeah, Jensen still causes the best reactions, haha. And then I continued to grin like a loon throughout the rest of the episode and the season whenever he was on and made me mad at Pacey because nobody messes up Jensen's face and gets away without my wrath.)
James is also one of those actors that makes me happy whenever he pops up on my screen. Do you watch Graceland then? I think Serinda is on that, right? I started watching it but then stopped for whatever reason.
Yup, Chloe/Lois was one of the tougher ones, good thing it didn't stick on either part. The series finale was BS, let's erase it from our memories and pretend it doesn't exist, trash sounds like a good place for it, don't you think?
So, are you a dirty blonde? ;) Or a light brunette? - I have tons of Victor love too and now even more, combined with a large dose of sadness because of Lee :.(. And Bart is awesome, I also do not acknowledge season 11 as a valid continuation of the series. :P
Haha, I wanted to say Lana and Lois but opted for just Lois because of some of the stunts they pulled with Lana in later seasons, though I think them giving characters less flattering storylines is some sick form of expressing their love for them/the actors. I don't know the writers/producers of that show were weird. I can imagine Tom fighting with the producers over Clark, I think he had almost as many Clark issues, maybe even more at times because he had to try and make that sh*t believable, as the rest of us. The one tidbit I know (as former Chlarker :/) is that apparently his reaction to them discussing how much in love Clark already was with Lois in season 8 was to ask when Clark had fallen for her.
And I think you put it perfectly, they loved him but didn't understand him.
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Date: 2014-06-21 02:23 pm (UTC)First character I fell in love with, I'm with you there I want to say Chloe too, but if I'm completely honest I really don't remember, though she is probably still the most likely candidate that I first fell in love with way back when, simply because she's my kind of character. And Lex is obviously the best alternative answer, Lex is awesome and even though I LOVE Chloe to pieces, as you very well know, I do think Lex is definitely the best character and he managed to break up Clana for good and messed with Chlimmy (he did his best to break those two up as well, can't really blame him for Chloe's thick head when it came to her relationships with the men in her life :P), so there's that. :D (If I recall correctly I actually thought your definite answer would have been Lex, just because I know how much you love him and Chlex. :D). Let's face it the Luthors WERE the best part of that silly show, and Chloe is an honorary member of that family, so... ;)
your "Baby": here, I thought it would be Chloe, or maybe Tess, or Chloe and Tess. Your elaborate answer as to why Chloe is your baby is so much better than anything I could come up with right now, so I'll just say, ditto on everything you said. :D And no, you definitely don't have to convince me, but it's fun to read all the reasons why Chloe is so awesome nonetheless.
didn't really think about that question but I know that Jonathan isn't your favorite character, mine neither obviously, I have a strong dislike for hypocrites. He obviously had cast himself in the 'good guy' role and all Luthors in the 'bad guy' role, because of course it's much easier to blame somebody else for your sins. :/ With his attitude of anybody who dares to ask questions about Clark, or even just investigate the meteor showers or anything remotely pertaining to it must be evil, it's no wonder Clark adopted the same. Clark is another person I didn't always understand with his hypocrisy of DON'T ASK ME QUESTIONS ABOUT MY CHILDHOOD CHLOE, AND GOSH LEX HOW DARE YOU INVESTIGATE THE ACCIDENT THAT SHOULD HAVE KILLED YOU BUT DIDN'T, YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW EVERYTHING! - LEX, CHLOE, LANA, TESS, OLIVER, BART, AC HOW DARE YOU KEEP SECRETS FROM ME YOU HAVE TO TELL ME EVERY LITTLE DETAIL OF YOUR LIVES! (even though we've just met.) (I have Clark-issues I'm aware of that. lol) Also, everything you said, word!
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Date: 2014-06-22 10:36 pm (UTC)Yeah, that's how it is for me. I was so long ago, I can't remember, but I love Chloe so much I want to will it to be her even if it wasn't. But S1 didn't give us as much of her as it did Lex, so I might have fallen for him first. I just don't know. Just that they were my favorites early on.
(And I wanted them to kiss.)LOL, Lex is amazing and he did try his best to just break everyone up, LOL. It was like his hobby. And yes, the Luthors were wonderful and of couse Chloe was an honorary one. You can tell by the way they interact with her. ;DWell, if I could have chosen more than one Tess probably would have been my number two. So yo know, you called it right again. But Chloe wins. Chloe always wins. LOL, I'm glad that you don't mind hearing me babble about her. Because, well, its fun to babble about her.
Yep, such a hypocrite and your right, you can defenitely see how it influenced Clark. I didn't even think about that, but that's so true and your examples are so perfect. Everybody talks about how Lex is Lionel's son, but yeah, Clark is defenitely Jonathan's too. (Why couldnt you have been more like Martha Clark? WHY?) By the end of the series, a lot of people had Clark issues. A LOT OF PEOPLE.
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Date: 2014-06-22 11:00 pm (UTC)Obviously Chloe always wins as far as I'm concerned, even if other characters are awesome as well.
We're getting smart ideas about Clark! Oh no. But yeah, Clark was definitely Jonathan's son when it came to how he handled his secret and treated the people around him. By the end of the series they should have released a 12 step programm on how to deal with your Clark issues.
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Date: 2014-06-13 11:33 pm (UTC)• The first character I fell in love with: I watched the show so out of order originally, it’s hard to say. I’m going to go with Oz though. I LOVE Oz to extreme levels and he really had me at first sight. I didn’t need big plotlines, I just needed him and his talk of monkey pants or his seeing Willow in her Eskimo costume and wanting to know who she was. He was just perfect.
• The character who is my ‘baby’: Dawn. I’m overly protective of Dawn because apparently fandom hates her and I over relate to her (younger sister, over protected, never allowed to do things, and forced to grow up too young) and I just don’t understand why people hate her so much. You certainly don’t have to like her/have her on your favorites list. I just don’t understand the hate. She’s such a beautifully crafted character to me.
• The character who I do not understand: Despite really enjoying S6 and a lot of things they did that season, I never really liked the Trio/understood why they decided lets be super-villains that go after the Slayer. It just didn’t make sense to me. And while each of them had their moments where they were interesting, I never really cared about any of them.
• The character that I think the show ruined: Riley. I LOVE S4 Riley and his relationship with Buffy. They make sense and are cute and neither one has to lie about who they are to each other. But S5, it was like they needed for Riley to leave and they just completely destroyed his character in the process and then blamed Buffy it. And I just, that’s not right at all, on any level. She was dealing with so much and was so young, it wasn’t her job to make Riley her top priority. And I can understand Riley struggling with semi-civilian life but the ways they had him deal with it, just didn’t seem like S4 at all. I don’t know, it was just confusing. I think they got lost with whatever they were trying to do.
• The most attractive male and female character: I’m not going to lie, I have a major crush on Giles, so he might win for me. It doesn’t hurt that he has the accent. But all the boys were pretty. And I think Cordelia wins for me (Buffy coming in a very very close second, because Buffy and her hair is gorgeous.)
• The character death that was the worst for me: Joyce’s death is probably the worst for me, because it’s so realistic (which was the point of course) and the before, where they spend so much time in the hospital trying to get her better and Buffy and Dawn taking care of her. It all just hits too close to home even though I’ve never lost my own mother. Anya’s death also always gets to me, despite it being in the last episode and there not being a lot of time for characters to process it.
• The character that is the most like me: Oh, um, a combination. Kinda of a spaz/definitely a younger sister living in the shadow of her older sister like Dawn. I lack a filter at times/love money like Anya. I’m a total control freak like Willow. And I’m shy but protective of those I love like Tara. I’m also sarcastic like pretty much everyone on the show.
• The character I think the writer(s) love: Not necessarily in a bad way, but you could always tell how much the writer’s loved Spike. That’s how he got such a big role in the first place in the later seasons.
• The character that I just want to be happy: Buffy. Poor Buffy, such a hard life from season one on. I was actually quite happy that the show ended on her saying that she was still in the process of figuring out who she was and that she couldn’t be with someone until she had figured that out, that was what I always wanted for her. My OTP for her has always been Buffy/Happiness. Because there’s not enough of it on the show.
• My four favorite characters, past or present: Buffy, Dawn, Giles, Oz (and lots of others, but top four. I’d include Cordelia too because I loved her on Buffy, but she’ll be talked more about in the Ats section.)
• My four least favorite characters, past or present:Warren, Andrew, Jonathan (ha, three right there!), and…Maggie Walsh maybe. (She could have been way more awesome, but nope, she choose evil.)
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Date: 2014-06-21 04:41 pm (UTC)Dawn makes for a good baby when you love her considering how much hate she gets, the only thing that really bugged me about her was her screechy voice. What I liked most about her was that she was just a typical teenager, minus the whole being a key part. My baby though is Cordelia again, my love for Cordelia actually rivals my love for Chloe, to give you an idea of how much I love her. <3
The trio was nonsensical, such a typical the writers-ran-out-of-ideas storyline. I guess it was also a lame attempt to bring back the geek-talk that Xander and Oz indulged in.
Yes, Riley definitely is one of those characters that was sacrificed for the sake of breaking up a relationship and wanting to drop a storyline as soon as possible.
Giles is a very worthy person to have a crush on. ;) My heart got stolen by James though. <3 And I obviously agree with you on the most attractive female. Charisma. <3 Though all the other females are very attractive too. :)
All the deaths were the worst! Joyce's with the no-music, such a stroke of genius and all the pain and hardship leading up to it, the shock of the stray bullet tearing through Tara and of course Anya, brave over a 1000 year old Anya picturing demons as bunnies to get herself in attack-mode, and the way she went with that blade slicing her body in two. Great now I'm talking myself close to tears. :.(
Heh, I agree, the writers loved Spike, not that I'm complaining since it's one of the rare occasions that I share the writers love (except for the act that shall not be named of course).
And yes, Buffy definitely deserves all the happiness, but so do all the characters. Happiness for everybody, please. :(
Nice favorites, though only one of them makes it onto my top 4 list. :) Mine are Cordelia, Oz (that's the one we share:D), Spike and wow, uhm, who do I like from the others slightly more than the rest? I guess I'll go with Anya. :)
Don't like the ones you don't like either, though I like most of the potentials even less than Andrew and Jonathan (why did they have to ruin Jonathan?), but yes, Maggie definitely makes my list too. :)
In conclusion, obviously we have the best opinions of the Buffy characters. haha. <3
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Date: 2014-06-13 11:41 pm (UTC)• The first character I fell in love with: This is hard because I watched a episodes from S4 first, then I went back and watched it from the beginning. So from my watch from the beginning Cordelia. She is so my character type and loved her bluntness and wonderfulness and the way she tried to be tactful and failed. And all the ways she grew, but still remained true to herself. Cordelia was always about telling the truth, about being honest, but as the show continued we saw her learn how to be honest without it coming bubbling out, and instead able to have conversations with people that were understanding and she was able to empathize with the other person. And of course I loved her and the visions and how at first she wants nothing to do with them, and then they become part of who she is and how she will do anything to keep them. How she grows in general.
• The character who is my ‘baby’: Fred. Oh, I have so much love for Fred. Slightly crazy, vengeful, scary, badass, super smart, timid, beautiful Fred. My Fred who never considered herself a champion (“I walk with heroes”) but was one. Who was constantly searching for her place on the team and in the world, but not sure where she fit in, having others trying to put her into roles that did not belong to her. Who died fighting for every last breathe because she was a survivor. She had always been a survivor. And I just don’t understand why so much of the fandom hates her. She was beautiful.
• The character who I do not understand: I recently re-watched S1, and I spent a lot of time thinking about Lindsay in his episodes and how I just didn’t really understand him/what they were trying to do with him. Sometimes he was evil and ambitious and other times he cared more about doing the right thing. And it’s just, it was like they were trying to give us a bad guy with a conscious, and show us how he got there. But all they really showed us was a guy who couldn’t decide who he wanted to be.
• The character that I think the show ruined: Oh, I don’t know if I actually have an answer for this. I know a lot of people think they ruined Cordelia in S4 but knowing that it wasn’t Cordelia and bringing her back in S5 and reminding us of who she really was, it fixes it for me. Cordelia never changed. Cordelia always was.
• The most attractive male and female character: Tie; Cordelia and Fred. They just win at the prettiness. They beat all the boys.
• The character death that was the worst for me: Tie again between Cordelia and Fred. I loved them both so much and their deaths were so close together it’s like a sucker punch. I swear that no matter how many times I see ”You’re Welcome” I’m still caught off guard when Angel gets the phone call. And I cry. And then Fred’s death is so slow and so heartbreaking as she asks “why can’t I stay?” right before she dies. And I just. S5 kicks you in the teeth man, it kicks you hard.
• The character that is the most like me: A bit of Cordelia with her lack of filter, a bit of Fred and her searching for her place (though none of her smarts), and the same with Wesley.
• The character I think the writer(s) love: Ummm…I don’t know. There were characters I think the writers failed at times, but none that I thought you could see specifically they LOVED way more than the others. Maybe Angel, but it was his show so you know, if they didn’t love him, then well, what kind of show would that be?
• The character that I just want to be happy: Wesley. Poor Wesley could just never catch a break and all the hints of his horrible childhood. And as much as I love S4 angsty/badass Wesley, I still want him to be happy.
• My four favorite characters, past or present: Cordelia, Fred, Angel, Wesley (And also Gunn, this should be five. So I can include all of them. And I haven’t gotten to mention Lilah or Lorne or lots of other characters I love.)
• My four least favorite characters, past or present: Lindsay has gone way down on my list (which is sad because Christian Kane), Holtz, Eve, and maybe Connor, though I certainly don’t hate him just never connected well with him. I understood him and his storyline just couldn’t connect with him.
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Date: 2014-06-22 11:05 am (UTC)Well, I knew that answer for sure. And although I did not like the affect her arrival had on the team dynamic (I HATE love triangles with a fiery passion!), I did like Fred, but since I don't have a problem giving an answer twice, my baby will forever be Cordy. Also, albeit to a far lesser degree, Wesley, an after affect of how he got treated on Buffy.
Yeah, Lindsay was a bit all over the place, but it's Christian, so I'm willing to look past a lot especially after watching Leverage. Sometimes actor-love makes for strange character tolerance/love. haha
I guess the question about who the show ruined is largely influenced by whether you watched the show back when it first aired or later in a marathon, because while for me Cordelia wasn't completely ruined, she certainly got damaged the most by the show. Not so much by Jasmin!Cordelia in general but by that ONE act that we shall not speak off, that forever will taint her character even if not my unwavering love for her. Even if it's not as bad as Spike's unforgivable act, it's bad enough (especially considering my love for Cordy/Angel, my first real OTP before I even knew what that was.).
Haha, yeah, Cordy and Fred definitely are the prettiest, though the guys are real attractive too, personally for me Wes probably beats out the others, especially when he became more gruff. And of course Christian is always very nice to look at too. Though just like Jensen he became even hotter with age and a badass character.
All the deaths, really, Joss shows are way too good at them. Though my main three are obviously Cordy (I will never not cry at the end of 'You're welcome', Doyle (also, the end of the episode that will never stop making me cry, I will hold it together right until the moment Cordy and Angel watch the tape but as soon as tape!Doyle says "Am I done?" I lose it.) and of course Fred where simply the act of dying is a tearjerker but also, that sequence with the flashbacks and "A place called home" playing.
The searching for her place aspect of Fred is definitely me too! Other than that I'm probably some weird combination of Doyle and Cordy? I don't know I suck at this game. haha.
"Ummm…I don’t know. There were characters I think the writers failed at times, but none that I thought you could see specifically they LOVED way more than the others. Maybe Angel, but it was his show so you know, if they didn’t love him, then well, what kind of show would that be? "
I agree, though I think that's mainly due to all the writers/producers having different characters they loved/favored rather than all favoring the same, minus, and I again agree with you there, Angel, and I'm grateful that they all at least really seemed to like the lead character. On a personal note I'm just sad that Cordelia's main behind-the-scene champion left after s3. I'm selfish like that.
Yes, Wesley. Whenever he found some semblance of peace it almost immediately got snatched away again. At least the others got season 3 (before everything went downhill), while his got tainted by having to watch Fred and Gunn even before he made his big mistake.
Isn't it great to love all the main characters of a show? That rarely happens to me but Angel definitely is one of those shows. Though if I had to list my top 4 I would probably say Cordy, Angel, Doyle and Wes.
I don't think I can come up with four least favorite. Though Holtz and Eve definitely would make my list too and Connor, I don't really have a problem with any of the others though I guess from the fang gang my least favorite was Gunn in s5 (I didn't hate him or anything just liked him the least)
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Date: 2014-06-13 11:42 pm (UTC)• The first character I fell in love with: Caroline. No contest. She had me hook line and sinker in the first episode. I don’t know how anyone can watch the scene at the Grill with her and Bonnie and not feel for her, not understand her. I don’t know how anyone can watch the first season as a whole and not fall in love with this girl who feels second best to everyone around her (especially those she’s closest too), who feels like she’s not enough to keep anyone around, who fights so hard against Damon and what he does to her and at the same time internalizes what he does and blames herself, who feels lonely in her own house. And also has some of the most fabulous lines. And that’s just in the first season. She’s grown and been broken and grown some more since, five seasons of her becoming stronger as the world tries to break her, and never losing herself or who she was in the beginning. I hate when people say that they love Vampire!Caroline but didn’t like her when she was human. Because they are the same girl, if anything she is more of who she was, because being a vampire emphasizes who you really are. They’re the same person, the only difference is now Caroline holds a bit more power.
• The character who is my ‘baby’: The answer to this actually Caroline. But I babbled enough about her above, so I’m going to go with Stefan. I have a lot of Stefan love and feel like people don’t understand him. No, he is not the good brother (there is no good brother) but he tries and there are just so many sides to him and he’s so interesting and I want everyone to see him like I do.
• The character who I do not understand: Right now, Enzo. His storyline in S5…some of it was really good. Some of it just confused the hell out of me. (And I don’t know if you’ve seen the whole season yet, so I won’t say more. But if you have and are curious I’ll be happy to answer questions. :D)
• The character that I think the show ruined: For me personally, they’ve done a number on Damon. He was my favorite male character in S1, I found him so fascinating, this combination of evil and lovesick puppy and that contrast. But then the seasons went by and now it’s really depends on the episode and who he’s interacting with.
• The most attractive male and female character: Another cast where everyone is gorgeous, parents and bad guys alike. But for me, probably Caroline and Stefan. (But Nina and Kat are so gorgeous too it seems mean to make me only pick one girl.)
• The character death that was the worst for me: Grams death makes me cry every time. EVERY TIME. The way Bonnie just breaks. And also I loved Grams. And Jenna’s death as well. I loved Jenna. She was gone too soon. I miss her.
• The character that is the most like me: Probably Bonnie, I’m more reserved and more quiet and very protective of those I love. But with some definite dashes of Caroline in there, especially when it comes to her insecurities.
• The character I think the writer(s) love: Klaus seemed to be a favorite and I think a major reason they got the spin off. (Elijah too.)
• The character that I just want to be happy: Caroline. Just let her be happy and carefree and maybe get away from Mystic Falls because nothing good ever happens there. (But also, really all the girls. Bonnie should definitely run away from Mystic Falls. And Elena too. Basically all the girls should go on a road trip and never come back.)
• My four favorite characters, past or present: Caroline, Bonnie, Katherine, Stefan. (And more. I’ve grown to love Elena too and Rebekah, I love Rebekah. And more.)
• My four least favorite characters, past or present: Hayley (on TVD only, I’ve grown to quite like her on The Originals, but they never gave us enough to like her on TVD, also she snapped Caroline’s neck), Brady, Jules, Bill. (You might notice a trend here.)
(I shall be back with more fandoms later :D)
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Date: 2014-06-22 12:08 pm (UTC)I don't think I have a 'baby' per se, not anymore at least. It used to be Caroline, but the too heavy focus on Caroline/Tyler in season 3?, I think it was season 3, put a huge damper on my Caroline love, meanwhile my love for Stefan grew. So, now I guess they're the two characters that come the closest to it, while not quite occupying it fully.
Lol, I actually don't really understand a lot of the characters anymore, for differing reasons, unless I fanwank and you only can fanwank so much before it becomes a bit tiresome. But yeah, I didn't quite get Enzo either, I guess mostly because he seems like the typical filler character/plot device character. (And yes, I've seen the whole season, I know Stefan was killed and came back and that Damon and Bonnie got sucked away into wherever.)
Well, you know the CW's ultimate goal is to give us all complexes about our appearance. :/ I think for most attractive female I would actually go with Rebekah/Claire, though like you said they're all gorgeous. And for most attractive male, yeah, forget it, I can't pick, none of them really got under my skin. Though in season 1 I would probably have said Damon but Stefan has the better body. :P Everything considered, now I would probably pick the Mikaelsons. So, I guess I would pick the Mikaelsons as the most attractive family.
Personally, I think it's not even a question that they've ruined Damon the most. Like you I loved him in season 1, he was my favorite male character, and now I'm just blah.
I think TVD is another show where the funerals/aftermath usually gets me more than the actual deaths.
Skipping the rest 'cuz my brain isn't fully functional today, except for the favs:
Caroline, Stefan, Bonnie, Liz (and yes, Rebekah)
As for the least favorite characters, dare I quote Stefan for you? "Hurt her again and I will kill you!" (my mind going straight to "Don't you ever come at me through Cordelia ever again. You play that card a second time and I'll kill you."), as for me I don't really have an answer except I disliked pretty much all the characters at one point or another. :/
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Date: 2014-06-26 08:51 pm (UTC)LOL, I get that. For me the show might have tried, but it's never managed to kill any of my love for Caroline. There are plot lines I haven't loved, but her, always have. But even if you don't have a baby, I like that your two favorites are Caroline and Stefan. Good choices you make. :D
It really depends on the person and maybe how much I like them, but I can see that. Some of their decisions are easier/harder to understand the longer the show is on. See, that's how I saw Enzo too. He was a filler/plot device who would die before season end, because that's what happens on TVD. By the end of the season most of the new characters your introuced to have died (as well as some of the old ones). But Enzo, well possible spoiler alert, is apparently getting added as a regular for the next season, so I'm even more confused. If they had ended it with him using Stefan to kill himself and then waiting for that to explode in their faces I think that would have been a good and interesting end to his character. It would have been something we had never seen before. But then like the next episode, suddenly he wanted to come back to life, and I was just lost because hello? you literally just killed yourself. What sense does it make for him to change his mind so quickly/at all?
LOL, yep. It does seem like the CW has a plan. The Mikaelson's do make a gorgous family (Sage included because of her and Finn and yeah). A very acceptable response. ;D
Yeah...They defenitely did a number on him. There were a lot of good moments post S1, but nothing will beat S1 Damon, and its sad sometimes to compare him to who he once was/how he was written/whatever the hell went wrong. I mean he's still doing terrible things and not apologizing for them, but somehow its written differently? IDK. I doesn't make a lot sense to me. I just know they screwed up a good thing.
Even though I hated him, the aftermath and the lead up to Bill's death always got to me when he died. Just the dead look on Caroline's face when Liz comes into the room and she's holding his hand. I mean, I didn't even like him, and still. I cried. Also, Jeremy looking at his parents photos in S1 so sadly. Like you said the aftermath does work a lot better sometimes.
Oh, Liz. Liz should defenitely be included in the favorites list. (Also her and Caroline's relationship should be explored more, flaws and all, but that's a whole different thing.)
Look, see another parallell!!!! (Both good lines too.) And fitting for pretty much all my least favorite TVD characters. (As of now, there's a few more I think that probably don't have anything to do with Caroline. But they don't come to mind as fast.)
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Date: 2014-06-22 10:11 pm (UTC)LEVERAGE
• The first character I fell in love with: It was either Parker or Eliot, but Parker is my next answer, so…Eliot it is. :D I loved Eliot and his hitter ways, the ways he could take out pretty much any bad guy, and at the end he’d hold out his hand and say “It’s okay” and you’d believe him. He was the Calvary in one person. He had done bad things in his life, terrible things if his face is to be believed, but he also believed so much in helping people and doing the right thing for others and for his country and wanted so badly to be the hero of the story, but knowing he wasn’t at the same time. His conversation with Parker where he explains that it had to be the two of them who found the body on the mountain, because they recognized the situation for what it was, helpless, and that the others wouldn’t sums up his character a lot. I also love his little quips and how even in the middle of a fight he was fully dedicated to, he would still have one prepared in the back of his mind. And his relationships with Hardison and Parker were just wonderful. How they didn’t understand each other half the time, but they were still so important to each other. And well, Christian Kane. (I was also a big fan of his glasses in S1. There should have been more of that. They made some guest appearances but mostly just for cons. I liked Eliot in glasses, looking almost harmless, and then—well he was anything but.)
• The character who is my ‘baby’: Parker, definitely Parker. I love how quirky she is, walking that fine line of kind of crazy, how bold she is, how she understands how the world works in so many ways but doesn’t in others, how she taught herself to be self-reliant and to get what she wants, no one else needed. How she had to grow into this family of thieves they had created because she had never had a family before. I love that in a lot of ways she understood the people they were helping better than Nate, because of the life she had lived, she just couldn’t express it the right way. I love her search to become a better person and to become a whole person, without realizing she already was both. I love her slightly violent streak and her love of a tazer and how she will always put those she cares about above herself and everyone else. Even though I love Tara’s character, I love the scene where she thinks that Tara double crossed them all and Parker grabs her by the throat and dangles her off the building. That is not a threat. That is Parker, pure and unadulterated, the same little girl who blew up her foster parents’ house because she wanted her bunny. I don’t know there are just so many wonderful sides to Parker and I love them all.
• The character who I do not understand: Hmmm…I don’t know if I have an answer for this one.
• The character that I think the show ruined: I don’t think they ruined anyone really, or not at least any of the reoccurring/main ones. They grew if anything, but remained the basics of who they always were. And faults were addressed.
• The most attractive male and female character: For me Eliot and Parker, but Hardison was always nice to look at as well. (My OT3 was beautiful.)
• The character death that was the worst for me: There wasn’t a lot of character deaths, only two I can think of off the top of my head. But the flashbacks to Nate’s son dying always got to me. And the knowledge of how it broke him (and it did break him), it always got to me.
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Date: 2014-06-22 10:12 pm (UTC)• The character that is the most like me: Oh. I’m not sure. Some combination of Parker and Hardison (oddball like Parker and geek/passionate like Hardison) only without their major smarts.
• The character I think the writer(s) love: I think this was a show where they really loved everyone and were aware that the show worked because it was these five people, and that you couldn’t take one of them away it and it be the same. I think I remember a quite from the head writer/creator where he said that separately they were all broken people, but together they made one great person. And I think that shows throughout the show. Though obviously certain episodes shined light on certain characters.
• The character that I just want to be happy: I think I’d have to choose Parker, just because, she grew up so differently and we see her in the first season and she has that scene with Hardison where she says “they’re going to turn out like me” and she says it like it’s the most terrible thing ever. And I loved watching her grow into herself and into happiness and wanting it and deserving it and I just want it to continue forever. (But really the show ended with everyone happy imo, so that’s a good thing.)
• My four favorite characters, past or present: Parker, Eliot, Hardison, Sophie (Nate too, though he made it hard sometimes. For everyone. Also Tara and Maggie. I would have loved more of both.)
• My four least favorite characters, past or present: Oh, this is hard. Um, the bad guys? Like the big ones. Idk, this is hard.
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Date: 2014-06-23 07:49 pm (UTC)For my baby I would actually have to give the same answer as above, for me those three became kinda a package deal. <3 I LOVE THEM ALL THREE SO MUCH OKAY! DON'T MAKE ME CHOOSE BETWEEN THREE PIECES OF A WHOLE!
It's a smart show for smart people, so of course we understand everybody and everything. :D
I think Leverage is one of the very few shows I was happy with from beginning to start. I MISS IT!
Yes, the OT3 is beautiful inside and out, no doubt and no argument about it.
Obviously there is also no real argument about the worst character death on the show, also OUR BABIES (FAKE)DYING in the finale! NOOO! You don't play with my heart like that, just the imagery was enough even if it was highly unlikely that it was real.
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Date: 2014-06-26 08:28 pm (UTC)LOL, its true. They do kind of make the perfect OT3, so its hard to choose just one. But when I do, I do tend to lean towards female characters and Parker and her craziness and all of her layers get to me.
LOL, obviously we do. ;D
I very much agree. Everything about Leverage was pretty much perfect, start to finish (and the parallels from the beginning and the end, only make it more perfect for me, because I LOVE parallels). More shows should pull off what they did. And yes, I miss it too. I get it in reruns sometimes, but its not enough. Not enough at all.
It's true. The OT3 was perfect on so many levels. Being beautiful (inside and out) was just one of them.
Oh, I kind of like blocked that from my memory because I swear they had me going. I was like but this isn't how you--but what is--this is just another con, breathe. It's so heartbreaking, the way their all holding hands and Hardison wants to know that Eliot made it and Eliot says 'age of the geek baby' and Parker's watching it all. And your right. Even though I know its not really happening, it LOOKS WAY TOO REAL. And it is heartbreaking. And just yeah. Why did you bring thins up again?
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Date: 2014-06-22 10:15 pm (UTC)• The first character I fell in love with: Dean, definitely Dean. (Again I have a character type and he fits my male character type to a tee.) From baby Dean saving Sammy in the pilot to him reappearing and you can just see him wanting his brother back. The “Dude, I’m 26” And him covered in mud. And him escaping police custody so easily. And him pulling his brother out of the fire again. I mean this is just the pilot. The love only grew from there on out. He was just so wonderfully snarky and sarcastic but also broken and lonely and feeling second best and abandoned by the people he loves. And also the pretty. So much pretty. And all his flirting. And oh, if I didn’t already love him, 1x03 would have had me hook line in sinker. His failed flirting with Amy Acker’s character and his interactions with her son and how he tells him he’s brave ever day because that’s what he thinks his mother would want and that whole episode. If I wasn’t already in love, that episode would have sealed the deal and it was three episodes in.
• The character who is my ‘baby’: I’m going to go with Bela. Just because I have such strong Bela love and I know a lot of the fandom doesn’t feel the same way. So I’m protective of her character and story arc. And I just love her character. She's unapologetic about who she is and what she does. She does what’s best for her, because no one in her life has ever done that for her. She loves money and the lifestyle that she has. She knows about the supernatural but isn’t scared of it. And Bad Day at Blackrock, is just an amazing episode and an awesome introduction to her character.
• The character who I do not understand: Not necessarily one specifically, but the angels and so many of their decisions. It’s hard to get into their brains and figure why they think, okay, let’s go steal ourselves an apocalypse.
• The character that I think the show ruined: For me personally, Crowley has definitely had a number to him. I think it’s just too much of a good thing and suddenly its not so interesting anymore. Suddenly you want a new foil or evil for them to go after. And Crowley keeps popping up in all those storylines even when they’re not about him.
• The most attractive male and female character: Sorry to all the other many many attractive men on the show, but Dean definitely wins for me. It’s always going to come back to Jensen. And I think my girl crush on Lauren Cohen might make Bela win out, but really all the women are beautiful. Jo, Anna, Sarah, Carmen… (If only the show let them stay longer.)
• The character death that was the worst for me: Probably Sam’s death in S2. I know its not permanent, but I still cry everytime, and I can remember watching it the first time and just not knowing what the hell was going on because you can’t kill Sam. But Jensen, oh Jensen, his acting just sells it so well and so perfectly, how he keeps repeating Sam’s name and ending on that “SAMMMY!!!” and him holding him close. And the of course there’s the aftermath and Dean talking to Sam’s body and telling him how its all his fault and I just. I can’t watch those episode and not cry. And yet I watch those episode because of how perfect they are. (Also Ellen and Jo. God, when Ellen looks over at Jo when she doesn’t respond and she realizes that she had died. I just can’t. Bobby’s death also.
• The character that is the most like me: This question is really hard for all these fandoms. I always overly related to Dean, connected with him, but on the surface were nothing alike at all. It’s all the underneath/things he won’t say outloud things that I connect with mostly. Also early days Sam and his want to be normal. And some Jo in there, again her search and want to find out who she is, but she’s (they’re all) so much braver than me. And some Charlie and her fannish girl love and her awkwardness (that I love on her). Again, this question is hard.
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Date: 2014-06-22 10:15 pm (UTC)• The character I think the writer(s) love: Well I already talked about Crowley and how a little goes a long way for me and obviously the writers don’t feel the same.
• The character that I just want to be happy: This one, I’m just going to say everybody. Because I feel like this is the kind of show where no one is allowed to be happy for more than an episode (if that), so you know, everybody. Except the evil ones. No happiness for you.
• My four favorite characters, past or present: Dean, Sam, Bela, Jo (And Castiel, Bobby, and Mary. Oh and Jodie. And probably lots others. It’s just so hard to choose.)
• My four least favorite characters, past or present: Gordon, Gabriel, John (I have some issues with John, we go back and forth), and um…I’m sure I have more, but my brain is failing me.
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Date: 2014-06-25 11:29 pm (UTC)Abso-freaking-lutely, happiness for all, please! Except for the bad guys of course. :P
So many great characters so hard to pick two to fill the top four because of course Dean and Sam are my frontrunners for that. :D I would say Bobby and Ash complete that list for me. (Also, Chuck and the ladies you listed (while I do love Castiel he's another one who has run his course a bit for me, though obviously nowhere near as much as Crowley, also the fandom doesn't help either).
And I have John issues too. And Gordon is evil obviously.
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Date: 2014-06-26 08:16 pm (UTC)LOL, yep. Just spread the sunshine and cheeriness around to all of them. They desreve it. (Maybe we'll send it to them in Chloe form, so she can introduce some new happiness/snarkiness/wonderfulness to their lives. ;D)
I like your addition of Bobby and Ash. Ash was awesome and deserves lots more love. And I defentitely loved Chuck. (Though I don't like the theory of him as God, I prefer him just as Chuck the accidental doesn't know what the hell he's doing prophet who reminds us all how important toliet paper really is.) I still love Castiel and a lot of times I think he's the best part of the Angel storylines (though not always) but I do agree, that sometimes he feels shoehorned in or that I can live without him in an episode.
YAY! Another thing we agree upon. More issues we can have together too. XD
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Date: 2014-06-25 11:22 pm (UTC)Though just so you know I love Bela, maybe not with the same intensity as you and I don't actively ship her with anybody (my OTP of all OTPs gets in the way of that) I do love her and appreciated her for besting the brothers on several occasions. The boys need that every now and then. :) Plus, I love Lauren as an actress.
I agree the angels and their motivations/motives became increasingly murky with the seasons. I find it kinda sad that the show couldn't just let them be what they generally stand for, supernatural warriors of good and right, I mean if they're basically interchangeable with demons at this point, what's really the point of them.
Omg, I thought I was the only one who didn't get the big deal about Crowley, I actually never considered him to be a big bad, and suddenly he was and I was just WTH happened? And now it's just gotten ridiculous like you said in what all kinds of situations the show forces him into. But then what do you expect from a show that clearly has reached the stage where the showrunners/writers have run out of ideas.
Yes, yes, yes, Dean definitely wins in the attractive department. :D Lauren makes for a very deserving girl crush, I think I'm slightly more partial to Alona, so I would probably go with her as most attractive female, though like you said all the others are very attractive too (don't forget to mention Jared's lovely wife in your list of attractive females. ;))
Girl, we're so linked I first just read your lower part about the answer to worst death, and I was like I agree Ellen and Jo was BAD (and yes Bobby :(), tears were everywhere when I watched that, BUT SAM'S AT THE END OF SEASON 2 NOTHING (on television) WILL EVER BE AS TRAUMATIZING AS THAT SCENE! I was like you, like NO! you can't be serious, he's not really dead, Sammy's fine, not dead, it's just a severe injury they get him to the hospital and he'll be fine. And then he's lying dead on that bed and Dean's monologue and tears tears tears a waterfall of tears, they start at SAM! NOOOO! and don't stop until after the episode is done and I can distract myself. Sammy's death at the end of season 2 will never not make me bawl my eyes out. :.(
And I agree the character most like me question really is the hardest, though actually I'm probably most like Dean, like you as I said I relate the most to him and I'm definitely like him when it comes to his eternal deep concern for and protectiveness of his family, also his mediator role in the family though not just there, and I would like to think that I'm good with kids too. :) So, yeah, all in all I'm definitely most like Dean, with a dash of Sam because I do would like to get out and move away.
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Date: 2014-06-26 08:11 pm (UTC)Dean probably is my baby too, he's my guy and he's who I always want more of. But at the same time he has a huge fanbase of his own, so I don't feel the need to be so protective of him in comparison. Bela has those who love her and those who loath her (and totally don't understand her imo) and very few people inbetween. Which is why I appricate that even though she's not one of your favorites you still enjoy her/enjoy her place in the narrative. And yes, the boys defenitely need to be bested sometimes. Who better than Bela to do it?
Yep, I think the show has either gotten lost in the ideas of what they can do with the angels and how awesome it is to play with them/what they represent them as. Or they've just...gotten lost. IDK. There was some really awesome stuff done with them and I love a lot of what they did, stuff that would only work if they included the angels. But IDK, maybe they needed less angels or more breaks between angels or just more of an explanation. We get Castiel's POV often and we got some pretty good Anna POV (and some Uriel too) but most of the time it's just left up to interpretation. Or because of reasons. And if your going to go their I want the reasons.
OMG SOMEBODY THAT'S NOT ME WHO DOESN'T LOVE CROWLEY!!!! We really are brain twins or something. But yes, Crowley (as much as I like the actor) has never worked for me as the big bad type. He works really well as the 'take the opportunity' type, but not the big bad. And he's just constantly wedged into storylines and I just don't know if the writers just really love his character/the actor, so they keep him around. Or if they think the storylines are good (it's been going on so long it could go either way really). Either way, he's worn out his welcome for me, but I know they'll always be more of him.
LOL, was there any question who would win for the boys? Alona is a very good choice as well. I love her and she's all kinds of pretty. I always get excited when she shows up on my tv screen, even in old reruns of Veronica Mar's. She (and Matt Davis) were also pretty much the entire reason I watched Cult. (DUDE, I forgot both Ruby's. How wrong is that? They're both gorgous and should be listed.)
SEE TOTALLY LINKED. CROWLEY AND NOW THIS. But yes seriously, Ellen and Jo get me everytime, as does Bobby (and a few others Bela's death isn't shown but it makes me a little teary too), but nothing will ever beat the S2 finale with Sam's death. I like literally remember where I was watching it when it happened. That has to mean something. And it just, like you said, you can't watch it without bawling your eyes out and years later and Sammy's still alive and still makes me sad to think about. That's good writing/acting/broken hearted-ness causing on all their parts.
LOL, another answer the same. And I agree, I would say I'd want to be more like Sam than I actually am. If there was a category for who I want to be most like, it would probably be Sam. He's so much better at standing on his own two feet and able to move on from different problems/tragedies, and he got out and lived the life he wanted even if it was just temporary. He knew what he wanted. So he'd probably represent who I'd want to be more than who I am.
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Date: 2014-06-22 10:19 pm (UTC)• The first character I fell in love with: Nikita actually won me over right off the bat, which is unusual for me, because I don’t usually fall in love with the leads so quickly. But she was such a well done character right from the start, and she just grew and you learned more about her and what she was fighting for and how it was more than just revenge for her. It was justice, not just for her or Daniel or Alex, but for everyone that Division had ever taken. I love that she tries so hard to do good, but she still looks at herself in the mirror and sees someone she doesn’t want to be. She still sees all the blood on her hands. She never forgets that. And I love the bonds she forms, with Michael and Alex (my favorite) and Birkoff and Owen and Ryan and how all the relationships are so different but so important to her and she works hard for them, she formed her own family that she never got to have.
• The character who is my ‘baby’: Alex, definitely Alex. I don’t know when I fell so head over heels for her, but I did and I fell hard. My beautiful damaged, survivor, self-made, baby. She took in lessons from everyone around her (her father, Nikita, Amanda, Michael, etc) and she made herself into something that she could be proud of, but that everyone should also be afraid of. She’s living her second chance at life, that she’s fought for so hard, and she’s living it as well as she can despite all of her struggles. And I love her struggles, because despite everything she had been through, she was young and still trying to figure out who she was and who she wanted to be.
• The character who I do not understand: Jaden was always hard for me to connect to and understand. I did a S1 rewatch sometime after christmas and found I liked her more than I did the first time around, but still, she was always hard to connect with and I never understood her instant hate of Alex or any of the new recruits. I think the show could have done better at explaining her and her actions and they shouldn’t have waited to expand on her backstory so close to when they killed her off.
• The character that I think the show ruined: I don’t really have an answer for this right now.
• The most attractive male and female character: Tie for Alex and Nikita (both so gorgeous) and Michael. Shane West wins, sorry rest of the boys who were pretty too.
• The character death that was the worst for me: Ryan’s death did a number on me. Like I knew they were going to kill someone the last season, but still, it just. It broke my heart a little. And then I remember how long it took for him to grow on me and for me to see him as part of the team and I just…Why’d they have to kill him? Why couldn’t everyone have lived?
• The character that is the most like me: Some weird combination of Michael and Sonya. I think externally I’m a lot like Sonya (with not as nice clothes) but also like Michael, following orders or directions/instructions comes easier to me than making the decisions all on my own.
• The character I think the writer(s) love: I think Owen/Sam might work here, not that I’m complaining. He was one character that we just seemed to keep coming back to and then in S3 he got regular status and I think its because they just really love him and what he represented (a shadow/flipside to so many characters) and wanted to explore that. Not that I’m complaining.
• The character that I just want to be happy: Michael. I think a lot of his story arc was about finding himself and finding the happiness he once had, through Nikita and the mission (and everyone else involved) and I just want him to be happy. (But also everyone else.)
• My four favorite characters, past or present: Alex, Nikita, Michael, Birkoff (but also Sonya and Ryan and Owen and probably more.)
• My four least favorite characters, past or present: Sean (though I never hated him), Jaden, Thom (another one I had problems connecting with/seeing why I was supposed to care he had feeling for Alex, though his death scene still makes me sad on her behalf), and Roan maybe. (Though was I supposed to like him? I liked what his character did for plot just not him.) IDK, I’m bad at this.
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Date: 2014-06-27 10:08 am (UTC)First Nikita used to be my baby but now definitely Alex for me too, also Birkhoff. <3
I actually liked Jaden but yeah, she's a tough one to figure out probably since she was mainly there to play a certain role (to be a foil for Alex) and not so much a fledged out character.
Don't worry, you don't need to have an answer to everything. You're only human after all. :) Besides in this case it's a good thing.
Yes, another show with a bunch of attractive people. Let's just say the main cast and be done with it. :D
A Michael-Sonya mix? Interesting, can't say the same about having anything in common with Sonya's exterior what with being a ginger. Though that part of Michael in you I definitely can relate to, I'm a very indecisive person at times. I want too many things and everything points to me having commitment issues. Though on the other hand I also don't really like it when others try to tell me what to do or try to influence my decision making process. I have a contradictory personality with lots of issues, that sometimes make me wonder where I got them from because I had a fairly normal childhood and nothing major happened in my life where I could say like yep, that's the main thing that messed me up. In conclusion I'm just like everybody else, weird. Life and people are weird period. :/
I think you're right that Owen/Sam fits that best, though I'm still not entirely sure how I feel about the whole Sam thing, though it was interesting it definitely had me confused in the beginning.
Well, you know that Chloe, taking a break from making Dean as happy as he could ever be, swoops in and makes Michael happy in the end. :P Though, more than a relationship I think that Michael is somebody that needs a cause he can believe in and fight for to be happy and content with his life. And not just Nikita's next cause mind you, his own.
Haha, just picture me copy-pasting your answers for the favorites. <3
If you're bad at this then so am I, maybe we should come up with questions for our own meme, because this one is way to hard. haha. Though I never really hated any of the characters the ones you mentioned definitely were some I could do without. Okay, now I do remember one I absolutely do not like, Nikita's Division-founder-foster mom, I forgot her name. And of course oversight. They were stupid. *sticks her tongue out at them*