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lynzie914All/most of my fandoms are on my profile (and I'm still working on that list that will be up someday), but for reference I've had a lot of thinky thoughts about The Vampire Diaries (and The Originals by association), Smallville, NCIS: LA (I have so many Kensi defensive thoughts), Haven, and Buffy (thanks to my kind of rewatch). I will however gladly accept whatever you want to throw at me, as long as I've you know, heard of it.
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Date: 2013-10-10 09:32 pm (UTC)Clark and Lex in their old age.
If Elena were a boy, would she still be friends with Caroline and Bonnie? (I think Bonnie, yes, Caroline, no.)
eta: Oh and I would love to do a meta-y thing, but if you can't think of anything you're actually interested in, that's totally okay.
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Date: 2013-10-13 08:53 pm (UTC)How Oz would handle a zombie apocalypse.
I think his role and how he acted in ‘The Wish’ is probably a really big clue on how he would act in a zombie apocalypse, even though he was battling a different kind of undead. He was a white hat, he was fighting even though he could have just as easily done what the majority of the town did and hide, he was part of a group doing their best to help and protect the people around him.
I think that’s what Oz would do in this situation as well. He’d be well armed and join the scoobies (or if he was in a different setting a different group of fighters) and do his best to not only survive but help others survive too. He’d be finding ways to help fight that maybe the others wouldn’t think of, because Oz thinks differently, and he’d be an encouraging factor in a world that’s kind of gone to hell.
I think he’d be relatively calm about it, because he’s Oz, but I also think he’d be the one questioning Giles about how they didn’t see this coming. Because Zombie Apocalypses should be prophesized or something. I also think he would spend a lot of time thinking about the differences between zombies and vampires and what makes them different from each other, considering they are both the walking dead out for human flesh and turned by a bite. I think he would spend a lot of time trying to figure out how the two supernatural creatures were so different while being so alike at the same time. He would need something to focus on when he wasn’t fighting or preparing for going out on patrolling duty and Oz in general is a pretty intelligent guy, he just has to find subjects that matter to him.
Clark and Lex in their old age.
This will include spoilers for season ten and how the series ended. I’m not sure if you watched the whole series, so I wanted to warn for that just in case. I know a lot of people who didn't watch the entire series. Also, I think it veered into speculation more than meta sometimes…
The end of the series changed a lot of things, namely that Lex forgot everything that had happened to him, forgot his relationship to Clark, the good and the bad. That alters things for him. He knows Superman and Clark Kent the reporter, both very different from the boy who saved him in the Pilot episode. And as canon hints in the finale, Lex ends up where everyone feared he would, even without that knowledge of his past. But I think that by the time he reached old age, he would have figured out that Clark and Superman were the same person (Lex was always incredibly intelligent), and while it wouldn’t have the same effect on him it would have when he had his memories, it changes his strategies, it changes his view of this man. It probably would create more resentment between them as well; Clark has all the strength and powers Lex could ever want and he also has the family, the love and support, that Lex longed for as well. And I think he would use that against him. And without remembering their shared past, he would do so without guilt he would have at one time felt.
Clark on the other hand, would be cursed with the knowledge of the friendship that they shared. Every battle that Lex Luthor and Superman fight, Clark Kent and Lex Luthor fight as well. Some part of him still thinks he could have saved him, thinks that things could have been different, wonders if being open with him would have changed the outcome. If Lex would have lived with his memories and the two of them still would have been best friends. And every time Lex did something terrible (and it wasn’t uncommon), Clark wondered how responsible he was as well.
This is all exasperated by the fact that Lex ages and will die much faster than Clark, who in Superman mythology lives much longer (outlives everyone really) and that somehow increases his guilt and Lex’s hate. Because Lex will never live long enough to redeem himself or try to become someone good and Clark will have lifetimes to become whoever he wants to be, Superman, Clark, or someone else entirely.
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Date: 2013-10-13 09:09 pm (UTC)Couldn't read the spoilers, sorry, but I read part of the last paragraph, and damn you are probably right :(
Definitely interesting points about Elena still being a golden boy, but somehow less close to Caroline, even still.
If I think of anything good, I will totally do that, thanks!
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Date: 2013-10-13 09:48 pm (UTC)That's why I left the warning, because I didn't want to give things away (I really hope you didn't see anything you shouldn't have.) But at least you got to read the last parapgraph. I think no matter how the series ended, that would still probably be the case.
Thank you!
I'm excited to read it if you do it. :D
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Date: 2013-10-13 08:53 pm (UTC)If Elena were a boy, would she still be friends with Caroline and Bonnie?
I actually think she would be friends with both, though in very different ways, as she is in the show itself. (IMO her relationship with Bonnie is very different then hers with Caroline and it shows.) I imagine hers and Bonnie would be very similar to what they have now, they would have grown up together, become close, become very important to each other, but romance would never have entered the picture like it did with her and Matt. They would be more like siblings; overprotective, honest with each other in a way they aren’t with others, and putting each other before others wellbeing.
With Caroline it would be different. For one, when they’re no longer both girls, both fighting for the same titles and roles (Miss Mystic, head cheerleader, Mystic Falls Golden girl, runs the school, etc.), they would no longer have the competition effecting their relationship. But their roles in high school would still be very similar. I’d imagine even as a guy Elena would still be the golden boy of Mystic Falls and that would put him in the same circles as Caroline. But I think they wouldn’t be as close, and boy!Elena would let a hint of romance or of possible romance be there, to keep Caroline close but not too close. Elena instinctively manipulates the people around her (an interesting character trait that I don’t mean as a bash) and I think that would continue as a male set in the same position as Elena (an influential family, beloved town member, etc.) and Caroline, even without the competition, could be a potential threat to all of that. So he would make sure that he had some amount of control over her, without ever delving into an actual relationship, and maintaining a good relationship with someone who holds so much power. (Both in a high school hierarchy kind of a way and then once Caroline was turned as a vampire assuming canon still continued the same even with the genderbend.)
And inspired by your icon for your meta suggestion: If Drusilla had or would turn someone other than Spike, who (BtVS and AtS characters welcome) do you think she would turn and why? XD
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Date: 2013-10-10 09:45 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-10-13 08:59 pm (UTC)I have started this (I have so many ideas and thoughts!), but there’s a good chance it’s gonna take me a while, because, well, I’m me and I have a lot of thoughts on the arc. I’m predicting that it will be a word count far bigger than the comments allow in general. LOL.
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Date: 2013-10-14 05:40 am (UTC)I have pretty mixed feelings regarding the Davis arc and I'm really interested on your take on it since I feel like our thoughts/feelings towards Chloe are very similar.
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Date: 2013-10-11 10:10 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-10-13 09:02 pm (UTC)Do you have anything specifically meta-y you'd like me to do for either pairing? Or should I just go where it leads me?
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Date: 2013-10-15 12:47 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-10-17 02:15 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-11-10 08:06 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-10-11 09:41 pm (UTC)and if you feel like it:
How you perceive the show canon Parker/Eliot relationship
(holding back other ideas for another time ;))
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Date: 2013-10-13 09:03 pm (UTC)I love how on the surface Eliot and Parker’s personalities are probably the farthest apart in the group. It takes a long time for anyone to really understand Parker in general, but the others personalities are more organically fit on the surface. Parker is pretty much always honest, she almost doesn’t know how to lie when it doesn’t involve the job, everything about her personality is in your face and brash and anything but subtle. Eliot on the other hand, while often gruff, is quiet and charming when he wants and or needs to be because of the job. He connects to people, because he understands them, and whatever hardships he’s faced has made him want to help and protect them. Where it’s harder for Parker to connect with people, because she never really learned how, never had anyone really to care about that same way. And there’s lots of (lovely) scenes where this plays out, where she pokes at him until he gets frustrated, and she gives him a gingerbread house and just doesn’t get it, and he messes with her when he tells her about all of the conspiracies that are “true” and “not true” when he realizes that she’ll believe him. It takes Eliot the longest to really understand Parker I think, but once he does I love getting to see him teaching her things (fighting and cooking, etc) and that they found ways to bond and relate.
But all of this is really on the surface. Because in a lot of ways, they’re the two most similar minded people in the group, two of the darker members who have learned the hard way to look out for themselves first and foremost. All of the team members have demons in their pasts and are obviously willing to do morally ambiguous things, but it’s on a different level than Parker and Eliot. For as much of an air of innocence as Parker gives off (and is accurate), there is another part of her, the part that would kill to protect those she cares about and is loyal to, just like Eliot. And she would do easier and with much less remorse, than say Hardison who she shares a lot of similar experiences with. (An example being when she thinks Tara has betrayed them and instantly goes for her throat and dangles her over the side of the building. There isn’t any hesitation, there isn’t any internal struggle, it’s just instant reaction.) I think the episode on the mountain when they find the body of the man they’re looking for, but are forced to leave it behind, kind of showcases this. Parker wants to be a better person, wants to be like Hardison and Sophie and bring back this man to his family because that’s what she knows they would do. But Eliot specifically tells her that this was why it was them who found him, because they could leave him behind. That Eliot knows this side of her just as he knows this side of her, and he accepts her for it. And it’s something that continues on throughout the series. In the episode where there on the train with the virus(?), its Parker and Eliot that create the plan just by looking at each other, who knows what needs to be done without ever having to say anything to each other.
I think, canon wise, Hardison brings out this side of her that Parker’s never experienced before, who shows her love and kindness, and she needs that. And no one but Hardison could do it in that way for her. And Nate is the first person to have real faith in her being something more than just a thief and Sophie is the first person to show her what normal friendship can be like and that there are people out there that want to understand her, who know her and still like her on a friend level. But Eliot is ultimately be the one that understands her better than anyone of them.